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Postby Winged Outlaw » Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:01 am

Time to be bluntly honest. I hated the Draco very very much. It added a completely unecessary backstory Kurt's already complicated, though more or less complete origin. We got no development from Kurt whatsoever, he was quite literally a spectator throughout the entire story.

We see nothing of what he thinks about his father, or what this means to the way he sees the world, or even that he cares. This was just stuff happening to the X-Men, and in the end they're pretty much exactly the same as before. In cases of Archangel and Havok, some of the characters are even worse.

I guess what I'm asking is, did you like the Draco, Dave? Seeing as how you created the character and all, do you see this as "the definative Nightcrawler story", as it was hyped... or do you see it as I do (a waste of time and money)?
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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:29 am

Ok as mean as it is to say ....I feel a lot of that too.
Now chuck is an exsquisite writer and I feel that he's going to go somewhere with this but with that whole Mystique issue and and the rumor of changing writers he's probably bent on time and improbability.

I agree about the spectator part. I wanted to see Kurt's reactions. I wanted to see more explanations. I wanted less there he is let's go get him, crap we missed, better try again.

Though what kept (and keeps) me interested is the Northstar/Juggernaut/Sammy back story and the Lorna/Xavier story
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Postby kladyelf » Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:47 am

i've only seen part four and so all i can comment is :
the bit about Kurt was poorly done, and (IMHO) poo, :D

the Sammy bit was interesting tho.
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Postby Northstars Love » Fri Dec 19, 2003 8:03 am

While the Draco left me sorta ho hum, I want to point out that now we know more about Nightcrawler's origin. So his daddy is a biblical mutant trapped in a dimension he can't get out of. Oh well. You either like the idea or not. Although IMO I believe the arc could have been done better, I have enjoyed the fact that I know more about Nightcrawler. And this isn't the end of the surprises in Nightcrawlers origin I'm sure.

Yes Dave. What are your thoughts?
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Postby Dark Bamf » Sat Dec 20, 2003 1:48 am

I had mixed feelings too. I agree that Kurt seemed to be a spectator. And I think that the fact that there are hordes of other Azazael-offspring running around takes away from Kurt's uniqueness. Also--this is a hell of a way to return Kurt to his old swasbuckling self; I'd tend to worry about having Azazael for a father, whether demon or biblical mutant.

And yeah, the Juggernaut/Sammy/Northstar subplot is doing a better job of keeping my attention. I'm sorry that Cain lost Sammy's friendship. However, he did manage to get She-Hulk in the sack. And who's the guy outside the window?!?

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Postby bamfchickie » Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:21 am

And I think that the fact that there are hordes of other Azazael-offspring running around takes away from Kurt's uniqueness. Also--this is a hell of a way to return Kurt to his old swasbuckling self; I'd tend to worry about having Azazael for a father, whether demon or biblical mutant.


Thank you so much for saying what I've been trying to say (without much success ... LOL) since the arc began. I spent a lot of time trying to articulate what you just said, but my brain was apparently too mushy. ;)
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Postby Nandireya » Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:23 am

I'm with Dave...I don't like how it reduced Kurt's uniqueness...that said...only he, Nils and Kiwi Black survived...and they don't look anything like him...

And it sounded so good on the drawing board :(
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Postby taekwondodo » Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:35 am

I suppose Kurt having brothers could be kind of interesting. Depending on if it's ever actually addressed. I'm kind of miffed at the lack of uniqueness as well to be honest, but it's water under the bridge now. I'm pretty happy that Jillian seems to have taken a hike though. Always seemed rather trite to me.
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Postby Northstars Love » Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:28 am

Kurt is still unique in my eyes. He's still different compared to Abyss and Kiwi Black. I'm thinking inner uniqueness here.

[spoiler]Yes, Cain and She-Hulk in the sack was something I never expected. But I liked it tho. Showed a different side of the Juggy. As for the person outside? Juggernaut?...dunno. Its going to be an interesting read tho.[/spoiler]:D
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Postby The Drastic Spastic » Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:52 pm

Originally posted by Dark Bamf
However, he did manage to get She-Hulk in the sack. And who's the guy outside the window?!?


LOL! Fer serious??? F'n awesome!

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Postby thylacine » Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:43 pm

I didn't like the story either! It reminds me too much of my own family situation!
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Postby BlueDiskJockey » Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:30 am

i liked it, i thought it was cool. but what i didnt like is that everything just kinda ended just like that. it had a big plot coming up and then all of a sudden all these events happened to just end it all. just like that. i thought it had the potential to be a long comic that might go into the ledgenary range and be recognizeable by everyone, cause it would be so popular, but i guess not since it just ended. other than that it was good
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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:56 pm

WHoa! blue DJ IS ALIVE! wow.
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Ok yeah I agree sort of though I wouldn't be surprised if it gets followed up more. Actually it will be.
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Postby Winged Outlaw » Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:51 am

Ah... whenever I'm feeling down I can always come to this thread and chuckle.

Dave Cockrum doesn't like the Draco... :D :D :D

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Postby TelegramSam » Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:41 pm

Curiousity finally got me, and I just ordered the trade paperback off of amazon last sunday night, I'll post my two cents when I get it, but after all the negative feedback I've seen here and on amazon's comments I'm not holding my breath...
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Postby Winged Outlaw » Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:01 pm

*Winces*

Why didn't you just flip through the comics on the shelf at your shop? Every place I've seen, they're still there :(
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Postby Kaileighblue » Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:05 pm

Hey there's not ads in the book sets. Altough I have all the draco arc comics because I NEEDED them *spaz* Turns out I really didn't because it was kinda.. silly.

Kurt was a bit like Pippen in LOTR if you notices almost ever pic of pippen has him looking completely clueless with his mouth hangign open.. like Kurt seemed to be through most of draco.

And come on.. I know mystique is bad but.. that was just.. terrible..

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Postby TelegramSam » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:44 pm

W.O. - I did but they were missing a 3 issues. Figured if I was going to read the bloody thing, I might as well read all of it. *shrugs*
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Postby Winged Outlaw » Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:38 pm

Originally posted by TelegramSam
W.O. - I did but they were missing a 3 issues. Figured if I was going to read the bloody thing, I might as well read all of it. *shrugs*


Well, its several weeks later.. so have you recovered yet?
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Postby TelegramSam » Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:26 pm

I posted my opinion in the Nightcrawler forum. You can see what I think of it there. :p
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