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Postby JUSTOOGOOD » Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:16 pm

Is Kurt supposed to have a fine layer of fur? The reason I ask is that I have heard him referred to as "fuzzy". When drawing/painting him should he be rendered furry like Beast or fleshy like the movie version of NC?
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Postby Dark Bamf » Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:16 am

I don't think anyone--myself included--has actually ever drawn him with a visible layer of fur, but early on Chris Claremont had Kitty start caling him 'Fuzzy Elf', and we just kind of tacitly agreed that he's covered with a fine coating of fur, like seal fur or something. Maybe even finer than that. It doesn't seem to have a visible nap to it, though.

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Postby JUSTOOGOOD » Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:36 pm

Aha, thanks for the clarification. :)
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Postby Paty » Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:40 pm

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Geez! Trust a guy to get it wrong...

chris, Dave and I were all sitting around in my office one day...probably killing time until I could logically go home.. cuz as a staffer, I was supposed to work nine to five...
Anyway, at one point in the conversation, Dave wonders out loud..."I wonder what blue skin feels like..." and I said... "It's soft and fuzzy... like the underfur of a beaver or fine velvet. Very short, very soft..." Claremont thought for a moment and said "I like it!" He looks at Dave and Dave says.."me, too..." so it was soon after that that Chris began having Kitty call him the "fuzzy elf"

I remember that specifically cuz when I said underfur of a beaver, I didn't know if either Chris or Dave would know what that was like, being city slickers...so I qualified it with "like fine velvet..." which I knew they would understand. chris queried me later as to how fine the fur would be... how soft or prickly... and I told him it would be soft as baby's hair and would only be maybe a sixteenth of an inch if that...just enough to have a "nap" which gave you the dark lighting effects that make his face seem black in certain angles. chris said the "nap" part really made sense of the weird lighting effects that Dave had made a part of Kurt's visual makeup. I, on the other hand, was surprised that Chris knew what "nap" was. Mostly, unless you are into fabrics, it's a girl kind of knowledge.

Later artists had him growing a goatee... which would be utterly wrong... buz to get that effect, you have to shave... and shaving velvet just doesn't work... and if your whole skin is velvet and you don't have to have your whole skin, how are you gonna grow facehair? Makes no sense. shaving his head is another problem, too.. LOLlll The buzz cut look doesn't work for me although you could do it I suppose... but you would stillhave the blue underfur...just like beavers and their long and short hairs that overlap to keep them warm and dry... even in icy waters. The soft, insulating underfur was what made beavers a cash crop for trappers. Beaver hats were soft, luxurious, and shed water in inclement weather.. not losing their shape. Kurt would make a lovely bunch of blue hats...
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Postby JUSTOOGOOD » Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:35 pm

Pray tell what is "nap"? other than something my dad does when he gets in from work in the afternoon -of course.
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Postby Paty » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:18 pm

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"Nap" is the grain of the fabric. with heavy fabrics, it can show light wneh rubbed one way and dark when rubbed another waaay. It has to do with how the light affects the top or the underside of the fuzz in fabrics like velver.
some fabrics with smooth surfaces, like satin or taffeta have a visual nap built in because of how the colors are woven together. when the light hits them one way they are, say, blue... but when the light hits them another way, they may shimmer rust or yellow or whatever. It depends on the undercolors woven into the fabric.
But textural "nap" is three dimensional. It occurs with heavy fabrics that have more depth to them than just a thread width. Velvet is one of the heavy textural fabrics. and has a light side and a dark side. Depending on the deepness of the color, some of the "nap" effects can seem almost black.
Satinized spandex would give Daredevil his heavy black shadows on the red costume. Blue velvet skin could have "black" shadows on it depending on how the nap of Kurt's fur was struck by light.

some mundane fabrics, like courderoy, have "nap" too. and when you are cutting patterns you do have to take into consideration which way the "nap" flows or lays. ... otherwise you could wind up with a coat with one light side and one dark side... simply because one side had the nap going up and the other side had it going down...LOL... You would look like Harley Quinn. LOL...or maybe, Two Face...

does this help at all? It's the best I can do short of laying a piece of velvet down in front of you and rubbing it one way and saying"See? light green..." then rubbing it the other way and saying"see? dark green..."
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Postby JUSTOOGOOD » Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:41 pm

hehehe thanku paty. I think I get it; my cats don't like when you mess with their nap that's for sure.


Ooh I didn't intend that to be a pun.
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Postby Paty » Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:23 pm

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that's OK... as a pun it is an innocuous one. dave, king of the punsters, flirts with death every time he opens his mouth around here...He studied under Murphy Anderson... an inveterate punster himself, and it is an ingrained habit that is totally unbreakable...sigh...
some puns are small and innocent... others large and awful! this one is only marginally a pun, so acceptable for sure.
LOL
Cotinue in this sinful way, however, and risk the wrath punning inevitably spawns...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
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Postby JUSTOOGOOD » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:39 pm

Thank goodness for that; I don't mind puns too much but I don't ever want to get to the Richard Whiteley level of abuse; do you get Mr. Whiteley or even Countdown anywhere else in the world? I don't know...

...if you don't that's probably not too bad of a thing!!

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Postby Nightcrawless » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:48 pm

LOL Y'all are too punny.

...FUNNY...I meant funny. Y'all are too funny. Typos, you know.. XD :LOL
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Postby Paty » Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:31 am

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Ha!!! typos my fat fanny! we knows a budding punster when we sees one, we does...
Tis a terrrrrrible terrrrrible thing ...and addiction, don't ya know...

sigh... surrounded!!! AAAUUUGGGGHHHH!!!

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Postby JUSTOOGOOD » Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:20 am

Hi Paty, do you (or Dave) know anything about a 25mm miniature of Nightcrawler? I'm kind of asking for maelstrom as she has found one and wants to know who made it. I don't know if you are up on every single piece of Nighty merchandise that ever was but it aint the one made by TSR and it aint the one made by Grenadier either. If either of you can shed any light on the subject that would be appreciated i'm sure; her thread is in
'Nightcrawler >>Can ANYONE tell me who did this 25mm of NC?...'.

Ta. (and not one pun in sight!!)
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