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Postby Esynthia » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:46 pm

NC's origin story

looks cool. love the cover. comes out march 24th, 2010.
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Postby Dedicatedfollower467 » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:56 pm

WOOHOO!!!

Everything exciting comes out in March. Including me.

All my favorite stuff comes out just before or after my b-day. Lucky me!

I'm excited for this, can't wait to see what they do with it! This could be fantastic!

Then again, it could really stink.

I'm going to hope for fantastic!
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Postby Angelique » Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:03 am

You and me, both, Def. BTW, when is your birthday?
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Postby Dedicatedfollower467 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:30 am

...

Should I be telling that to someone I've only ever met online?

Probably not.



...



(it's the same day Julius Caesar died.)
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Postby Esynthia » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:43 am

i'm sure it'll rock. it's part of the "origins series" and so far all of the others have completely rocked :D i've got all but Wolverine and Jean Grey's... need to get those... hmm....

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Postby Garble » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:42 pm

Urgh. Just when I thought I'd gotten out of comic books, they do this.
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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:13 am

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEESSSSS!!!!
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Postby Elfdame » Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:34 pm

Haha, Ty just did a boy-squee.
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Postby Nachtkriec » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:24 pm

*screams lika little girl* OMG! i just completed my Nighcrawler series collections intime for the next! YYYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!
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Postby DreadPirateBluetail » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:34 am

And here's the preview, courtesy of CBR.

Thoughts? I positively adore the art. Gorgeous stuff. Hard to judge the story from the first few pages, though. Seems your standard "alack, he is mistreated for his looks" sort of thing.
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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:58 am

ZOMFG YEUSH!
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WHO CARES! it's a focus! ON KURT!!!
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Postby Elfdame » Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:39 pm

Thanks for the link. I expect full reviews from all the people here, spoiler alerts and whatnot. I like to see how everyone reacts to things -- same product, variety of opinions, sort of thing.

Yeah, nice muscular Kurt; I had to wipe a bit of drool off my face. And the artist had his ears kind of enlarged, not as big as in the first several issues back in the day, but enough to make him look ... different.

Just from the preview, I kinda hate to see Margali be so passive. But it's the middle of a story, so I shouldn't take that to mean she'll be a doormat all the way thru.

PS - Ty keeps doing these fanboy squeeees. Making a habit of it, methinks. ;)

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Postby neling4 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:46 pm

Why is Margali allowing this to happen? After all, she is a witch!

I wonder how much retconning this issue will do? If it reverses that awful Draco nonsense, I won't complain.

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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:40 pm

I bet it does, Neling. I bet you'll see a lot of retconning. I fear a retcon of anything Cockrum however....
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Postby Bamfing_Bob » Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:11 pm

So cool! I'm not a big fan of the art style, but I bet it's a great story. I look forward to getting it
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Postby Angelique » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:30 pm

I hope it retcons out the Kurt-Amanda romance, because it doesn't appear to downplay the creepily close familial relationship.
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Postby love_of_bob » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:38 pm

Angelique wrote:I hope it retcons out the Kurt-Amanda romance, because it doesn't appear to downplay the creepily close familial relationship.


I second this. I'm more bothered by Kurt/Amanda than The Draco. It's played such a large part in his history, though, that we'll probably have to keep living with it. :(
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Postby Nachtkriec » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:00 pm

i dont know what draco is but i hear its not good, anyone care to tell, i dont care about spoilers, alsoooo...COOL!! now i am excited! its tomorow! but probley cant get it yet, my comic shop doesnt stock stuff up write away, darn-it!

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Postby DreadPirateBluetail » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:24 pm

The Draco established that Kurt is the son of the demon Azazel rather than a nameless human and Mystique. Most fans see The Draco not only as silly (it is poorly written all around), but as a tarnish on one of the things that made Nightcrawler so great. If he's the son of a human and a mutant, then being born looking like he does is a misfortune that he overcame without bitterness, which establishes him as confident and strong. Being the son of a demon sort of takes away from that.

The above is personal interpretation and opinion, of course. I'm sure there exists someone in the world who prefers him to be part-demon.:evil


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Postby neling4 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:05 am

DreadPirateBluetail wrote:The Draco established that Kurt is the son of the demon Azazel rather than a nameless human and Mystique. Most fans see The Draco not only as silly (it is poorly written all around), but as a tarnish on one of the things that made Nightcrawler so great. If he's the son of a human and a mutant, then being born looking like he does is a misfortune that he overcame without bitterness, which establishes him as confident and strong. Being the son of a demon sort of takes away from that.


Excellently stated, DreadPirateBluetail! That is exactly why I despise the Draco arc. Unfortunately, whenever I try to explain why I despise it, I end up waffling about and lose my train of thought, due to my extreme annoyance. :mad

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Postby Angelique » Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:12 am

love_of_bob wrote:
Angelique wrote:I hope it retcons out the Kurt-Amanda romance, because it doesn't appear to downplay the creepily close familial relationship.


I second this. I'm more bothered by Kurt/Amanda than The Draco. It's played such a large part in his history, though, that we'll probably have to keep living with it. :(


Well, it looks like they're already making some changes. Unless Jimaine ends up becoming a bottle blonde a bit down the line, she might not even be the same person as Jimaine/Amanda (I hope IhopeIhopeIhope...).

I liked how Claremont dealt with that in X-Men Forever- established that Amanda (in that universe) was a close childhood friend, girlfriend, then ex-girlfriend, with no mention at all of her ever being his foster sister. It made that relationship much more tolerable. But since Margali refers to Kurt as Jimaine's brother in this universe, Amanda just needs to be a different person to remove the ewww factor.
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Postby Dedicatedfollower467 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:30 am

It seems almost like the whole story is just going to be one big flashback, with Margali narrating.

Which makes me wonder about how much she can confirm/deny about his origin.
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Postby Nachtkriec » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:24 pm

Angelique wrote:
love_of_bob wrote:
Angelique wrote:I hope it retcons out the Kurt-Amanda romance, because it doesn't appear to downplay the creepily close familial relationship.


I second this. I'm more bothered by Kurt/Amanda than The Draco. It's played such a large part in his history, though, that we'll probably have to keep living with it. :(


Well, it looks like they're already making some changes. Unless Jimaine ends up becoming a bottle blonde a bit down the line, she might not even be the same person as Jimaine/Amanda (I hope IhopeIhopeIhope...).

I liked how Claremont dealt with that in X-Men Forever- established that Amanda (in that universe) was a close childhood friend, girlfriend, then ex-girlfriend, with no mention at all of her ever being his foster sister. It made that relationship much more tolerable. But since Margali refers to Kurt as Jimaine's brother in this universe, Amanda just needs to be a different person to remove the ewww factor.

yeah, i never liked that pairing, it was okay that kurt didnt know that amanda was jimaine, but she did, so eww! i hope that pairing is not in this comic universe, alsooo! today its out! hurray!
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Postby Esynthia » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:19 pm

have it, read it, love it. and, i personally, love the art... :shrug
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Postby DreadPirateBluetail » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:09 pm

Esynthia wrote:have it, read it, love it. and, i personally, love the art... :shrug


Yep, pretty much this. :D

It wasn't particularly groundbreaking, but it was a good streamlining of his origin with some gorgeous art. I enjoyed it immensely. Hopefully it sells well and Marvel starts recognizing his sizable fandom again.

It doesn't address his father or his relationship with Amanda.

Something cool was that it had the couple of pages from Giant-Size X-men when he first appeared...I've read the whole comic before, but I bet that someone who hasn't had the chance to would appreciate those in the back.
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