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Wonderful !!!
To me, Azazel looks like the "perfect" father for Kurt.
I mean : with a character like this one, the stories about Kurt's family will surely be really powerful !
To me, Azazel looks like the "perfect" father for Kurt.
I mean : with a character like this one, the stories about Kurt's family will surely be really powerful !
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I don't know if anyone's asked this already, so I will... why did Mystique kill her husband (Herr Wagner)?? Was it that insanity at work, or was she scared he'd find out that she cheated, or that she's a mutant? It's probably the insanity... but I felt so sorry for poor Christian... he was such a nice man And he was so loyal, too... Maybe he would have accepted Raven and Kurt for what they were, if he loved her all that much!
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I've had the feeling all along that Mystique is a sociopath. Depending on who's writing her, she tends to use people with very little regard for emotional consequences. What keeps her "in line" is the physical and temporal ramifications of her actions, not her non-existant conscence. When the count starting questioning, notice that he ended his statement with "If I'm wrong, I'll make it up to you, I swear. But if I'm not...." That makes it sound very much like Mystique would be outcast and disgraced, at the very least, once the genetic tests came through. He wasn't going to be accepting of her infidelity, and she knew it.
This is where a sociopath can easily make the choice to kill someone. Wagner was alive because he was more useful as such, and there were stiff penalties for his death. Now the penalties for him staying alive and discovering her infidelity were much worse than the possible penalties for her killing him.
You see, parentage and lineage is VERY important for European landed gentry. The fact that Kurt would be a mutant wasn't the problem. The fact that he was a bastard son, not of Wagner blood, was the problem.
This is where a sociopath can easily make the choice to kill someone. Wagner was alive because he was more useful as such, and there were stiff penalties for his death. Now the penalties for him staying alive and discovering her infidelity were much worse than the possible penalties for her killing him.
You see, parentage and lineage is VERY important for European landed gentry. The fact that Kurt would be a mutant wasn't the problem. The fact that he was a bastard son, not of Wagner blood, was the problem.
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I thinik Mystique killed her husband for a various number of reasons. She was scorned by Azazel, for one. And he was getting suspicious. And she had long since fallen out of love with him. And she was going crazy.
And I really like Maelstrom's description.
And I really like Maelstrom's description.
Snoogans.
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from my POV Mystique just wanted to have a child to become more attatched to Wagner because she loved the power of his title and the money, she's very selfish and like Maelstrom said she's a sociopath..we have seen in past comics she had shown hints of being a little crazy..so it makes perfect sense to me.
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I don't think it was the man that Mystique loved, I think it was the lifestyle. When she married Christian, she became wealthy and she gained prestige. When he threatened that, he became to much of a liablity so she killed him to preserve herself and her own interests.
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But what I really want to know is: Was Mystique crazy to begin with because she was a mutant or some other issue? Maybe something went wrong with her parents? She could have killed them, or she could be the daughter of Hitler for all I know! She's pretty old.
They're gonna do a Mystique series right? Maybe it will clear up why she's always so crazy all the time. I have a few questions about her.
1. How old is she really? Her children are pretty much grown up.
2. Who are her parents? I've always wondered who they are. They might be dead by now or they might not.
3. When did she become cu cu? Was it the Wagner thing or was she crazy to begin with?
They're gonna do a Mystique series right? Maybe it will clear up why she's always so crazy all the time. I have a few questions about her.
1. How old is she really? Her children are pretty much grown up.
2. Who are her parents? I've always wondered who they are. They might be dead by now or they might not.
3. When did she become cu cu? Was it the Wagner thing or was she crazy to begin with?
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Personally, I think she was always a socoipath. Without anything else to go on, I'd have to say she was that way from the get go. You know, one of those "mean" kids that bullies the others, but she's so good at manipulating the grown-ups that no one believes you when you complain? Even if she was a normal kid, went through her mutation, and was so horribly mistreated that she blew a fuse, this doesn't really let her off the hook. Look how many times Kurt's been spat on, and how he's turned out.
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That makes sense but it sometimes it's where you live that makes you who you are. Mystique parents could of hated her and the entire city or town she lived in beat her. Kurt's adoptive parents didn't hate him which made him more secure about who he was and the cirus helped him get along with what he looked like and having people see what he is.
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Is Mystique a sociopath? Well yes, but she's a sociopath with purpose! That's what I've always loved about her, she acts crazy but then you find out she usually has a reason for it. She's very...self-sufficient shall we say. She has her own agenda she likes to follow, regardless of what everybody else is doing, and she seems to enjoy double crossing if it’s in her favor to do so. As for her past, there are so many other characters with TCP (traumatic childhood pasts) but I’m not sure she should be one of them. I prefer to think she grew up with normal loving parents, since she does appear to care for her children a great deal; well she cares about Rouge (her adopted child) anyway and she appears to care somewhat about Kurt (at least she didn’t kill him when she had the chance). If you think about it she may have just thrown Kurt off that waterfall because she didn’t want him to suffer at the hands of mutant haters growing up looking the way he did, but she would never let down her survivor mentality and say that of course. It’s a thought anyway. As of yet the Mystique comics haven’t told much about her past, except her country of origin (Austria). Personalty I’m not sure I want to know any more about her past. She’s such a multi-layered, complicated character that I don’t think any one explanation would ever be good enough to answer the question of why Mystique acts the way she does. Her mystery is what gives her her mystique in the first place after all.
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I thought she just wants to take care of because she was a really powerful mutant and could be used later. She kinda cares about but throwing him over the waterfall is a tad bit uncaring. She might of never seen him again and he could of died.Originally posted by Dracadancer
Is Mystique a sociopath? Well yes, but she's a sociopath with purpose! That's what I've always loved about her, she acts crazy but then you find out she usually has a reason for it. She's very...self-sufficient shall we say. She has her own agenda she likes to follow, regardless of what everybody else is doing, and she seems to enjoy double crossing if it’s in her favor to do so. As for her past, there are so many other characters with TCP (traumatic childhood pasts) but I’m not sure she should be one of them. I prefer to think she grew up with normal loving parents, since she does appear to care for her children a great deal; well she cares about Rouge (her adopted child) anyway and she appears to care somewhat about Kurt (at least she didn’t kill him when she had the chance). If you think about it she may have just thrown Kurt off that waterfall because she didn’t want him to suffer at the hands of mutant haters growing up looking the way he did, but she would never let down her survivor mentality and say that of course. It’s a thought anyway. As of yet the Mystique comics haven’t told much about her past, except her country of origin (Austria). Personalty I’m not sure I want to know any more about her past. She’s such a multi-layered, complicated character that I don’t think any one explanation would ever be good enough to answer the question of why Mystique acts the way she does. Her mystery is what gives her her mystique in the first place after all.
:mystique's personality is great! It's so multi-dimensional. I know I could be like that, but then no one would like me since I would take advantage of them, manipulate them, and betray them so many times.
I guess Mystique's past makes me love her so much. So mysterious, so clouded up! But I just wanna know how old she is. And who her parents are. That's not pushing it too much is it?
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I always had the feeling Mystique is like she is for *understandable* reasons.
She is old no daubt and growing up as Mutant. Possibly alone with her abilitys wasn`t easy.
I guess she was her whole life lonly. As a Child/young girl proberly because of her appearence/ability. So actually no wonder she just care for herself and her own goals.
She definitivly has feelings for other but she cant show like other peeps. When she killed her husband she did because she just try to *survive*.
She is old no daubt and growing up as Mutant. Possibly alone with her abilitys wasn`t easy.
I guess she was her whole life lonly. As a Child/young girl proberly because of her appearence/ability. So actually no wonder she just care for herself and her own goals.
She definitivly has feelings for other but she cant show like other peeps. When she killed her husband she did because she just try to *survive*.
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I would of thought that her parents would of loved her. Her parents could of been mutants themselves, who loved her. Who wouldn't want a little girl who's blue? She must have a good reason for being so selfish. Her parents could of brought her up that way for all I know.
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I enjoy the idea that Mystique's life as a shapeshifter is partly responsible for her instability. She's spent so much time impersonating others and living as different personas that she no longer has a clear sense of self.
As Christian's wife, she was living a lie, but also experiencing some desire to truly have a family, I think. She wanted to have a baby, but on her terms. When Christian couldn't give her a child, rather than taking the complicated steps of leaving him and finding another husband she simply sought other men to father her child.
Azazel was able to seduce her, partly by being able to see through her facade and forcing her to be "herself". I think she killed Christian because she was still hurt from Azazel's rejection and didn't feel like dealing with Christian's suspections...
As Christian's wife, she was living a lie, but also experiencing some desire to truly have a family, I think. She wanted to have a baby, but on her terms. When Christian couldn't give her a child, rather than taking the complicated steps of leaving him and finding another husband she simply sought other men to father her child.
Azazel was able to seduce her, partly by being able to see through her facade and forcing her to be "herself". I think she killed Christian because she was still hurt from Azazel's rejection and didn't feel like dealing with Christian's suspections...
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I really wanted Sabertooth to be his dad:( Is Sabertooth dead?...didnt wolvie kill him?
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Sabretooth is alive and a member of WEAPON X.
Thank god he wasn't Kurt's father, though...IMO...
Thank god he wasn't Kurt's father, though...IMO...
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That's a pretty good explanation for why she's always so nutty. She would keep trying to be someone else that she lost who she really was. Maybe when she figured out that she couldn't remember who she was, she picked up a survival of the fittest thinking that everyone manipulates each other (just on different levels) like we use polite manners to get what we want, Mystique took it to the extreme and made manipulation and taking advantage of people to get what most people only dream of.Originally posted by Garble
I enjoy the idea that Mystique's life as a shapeshifter is partly responsible for her instability. She's spent so much time impersonating others and living as different personas that she no longer has a clear sense of self.
As Christian's wife, she was living a lie, but also experiencing some desire to truly have a family, I think. She wanted to have a baby, but on her terms. When Christian couldn't give her a child, rather than taking the complicated steps of leaving him and finding another husband she simply sought other men to father her child.
Azazel was able to seduce her, partly by being able to see through her facade and forcing her to be "herself". I think she killed Christian because she was still hurt from Azazel's rejection and didn't feel like dealing with Christian's suspections...
I thought when :mystique met Christian, she started to actually regain some of her sanity and him and what she was with him. Then when came in and started messing things up, she started going back to survivor mode as she became more defensive of the suspicions .
I really feel sorry for Mystique and what she's been through all those years with so many bad things happening to her, but I'm not mad about what she's become . I like her personality and how she's gone through her life .
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fist off I loved the issue. hey Bamfette? I know this has nothing to with it but i can only catch you here as you are no longer at X-Fan. but that Unlimited with Mystique and Sabretooth that comes right after it I i dont know if it was the conseption of Graydon it is defintly different then what happened in Sabretooth Deatrh Hunt 1-4. hasd Mystique as Leni Zauber first met creed in Berlin during his Team X days. At least she said it was when they first met. but according to the unlimited she met him and had graydon after having Kurt. Sorry but im just confused trying to sort out the facts if you could help or not Sorry to do this here but i didnt know of anywhere else.
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the simple fact of the matter there is it is a mistake. an un-intended ret-con. Chuck nor his editors was aware of that story. Chuck asked if the story of Graydon's conception had been shown, his editors said 'no'. so he wrote one. he did not learn until after his Unlimited story was published about the other story...
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Thanks Bamfette for answering .That confused me for a while as I like continuirty.
im kinda worried about this....
now it may just be me, but this draco storyline is seeming like bad news to me. I mean, the story is great and all, but it seems to me that when the story is over, nightcrawler will end up taking a break from the x-men again. God i hope thats not the case.
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I'm glad I wasn't the only one to think this!
From the way it's heading, it seems that at the end, Nighty's emotions are gonna be seriously screwed over. I wouldn't exactly be in the best of mental states after finding out my father was a demon, something I have been hating for years upon years.
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don't worry guys. Kurt's not going anywhere. he is Chuck's favourite character. with Grant leaving New, the teams may be doing a bit of character swapping, Chuck's *only* requirement? that he gets to keep Nightcrawler at all costs.
and he wont be angsting, either. he goes back to being a fun swashbuckler. gets a sword, a love life and the whole bit.
and he wont be angsting, either. he goes back to being a fun swashbuckler. gets a sword, a love life and the whole bit.
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