Well i managed to find the rest of the thread but is not complete, unfortunally i couldn't find them all.
so...Here's page 8
Originally posted by jogurt
Dear Chuck, dear Jill!
You gave me nightmares with all these Daddy thing...I dreamed a lot of Stuff tonight about Atlantis Kurt and Demons.
Very weird Athroprosophic, gnostic stuff about Dragons and the differ Races of Atlantis...Titans/Mutants ( wrong Puplisher?!!)
Im confused about all this. There are a lot Theories about the connection Egyptians / Atlantis /Mayan ( or the whole humankind in the nonwritten preflood times)
From Erich v. Däniken til the (wowow I always wanne write this ) Illuminati all peeps guessing around over these connections. Do Chuck has a Athroposophic/Theosophic backround? How near he stand the actually achaology theories?
What will the Draco Arc be?
Xfiles meets Xmen?
Or more : X men scooping out the faucauische pendel?
Xmen and the Arsen? May they should talk a bit to THor then?
Esotheric is not science-
What do my Reiki mastress say?
Ohm nama shivaja!
Originally posted by Broadsword
My insane theorys
I have a couple of theorys. If someone has stated them before just smack me round the noggin with a and carry on.
Theory one: Kurt's dad will be called Draco. The first Draco was a greek lawmamker who gave the death penalty to everything from murder to lidleness (it's from him that we get the phrase 'Draconian'. Now our Draco could be using his powers to bring law the the world, using some insanly Draconian messures, and the X-men have to stop him (da da-da daa!)
Theory two: Draco to me speeks sorcery. And the signs of Kurt's birth was speek magic to me. Think about it, he was born to a nobleman in a castle (I'm not sure about the castle thingy), and to a totaly hot lady and has lots of peasents who like to chase things with pitchforks.
Look at movie sorcerors. They are nobles liking in castles surounded by pitchfork owhing peasents are have tottally hot lady hanging around. Makes sence, doesn't it?
Originally posted by kurtlover
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Originally posted by maria
Cizin (Kisin): "Stinking One"; Mayan earthquake god and god of death, ruler of the subterranean land of the dead. He lives beneath the earth in a purgatory where all souls except those of soldiers killed in battle and women who died in childbirth spend some time. Suicides are doomed to his realm for eternity. He may possibly have been one aspect of a malevolent underworld deity who manifested himself under several names and guises (e.g., Ah Puch, Xibalba, and Yum Cimil). In pre-Conquest codices, or manuscripts, the god of death is frequently depicted with the god of war in scenes of human sacrifice. One aspect of the dualistic nature of the Mayan religion is symbolically portrayed in the existing codices, which show Cizin uprooting or destroying trees planted by Chac, the rain god. Cizin is often depicted on pottery and illustrated in the codices in the form of a dancing skeleton, holding a smoking cigarette. He is also known by his death collar, the most prominent feature of which consists of disembodied eyes dangling by their nerve cords. After the Spanish Conquest, Cizin became merged with the Christian devil.
Before my number one pick out of these guys would have been Amon and Ahriman, but this guy Cizin has just defenitly become my number one candidate
. And pretty much for all the reasons that I've said about my previous choices and more.
Frequently depicted with the god of war in scenes of human sacrifice. That part reminded me of the picture of Kurt's dad that was seen on the wall in that preview. He seemed to be none to kind to the human he was polking at in front of him.
I know I say with every new guy I find, that I really think that this is his dad, but with Cizin, I really, really think this his dad (watch, now tomorrow it'll be like 'I really, really, really think this other guy is his dad ). But c'mon, he's known as The Stinking One doesn't that just fit?
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hehehe Maria you mentioned the Kisin! i live in Yucatan, land of the mayans, and you're right it might be him but Kisin is not the ruler of the underworld, Ah Puch is, he's the ruler of the underworld (all his seven stages) forgive me if i get wrong in something but i'm just taking it off and dusting it from my head, and my three years of mayan history...anyway Ah Puch was the king of the underworld and all the deities from underworld feared him and worship him, now Kisin is under his command but he's also very powerful, there's so many legends about it! but now as you said since the catholic religion was merged with the pagan gods to encourage the mayans to forget about their own religion, now the kisin is well know as the devil himself....in fact in small quasi mayan towns the people stills remind about him and they reffer as him as the devil even knowing they're catholics.
Originally posted by maria
The way I understood it while looking him up is that Ah Puch, was just another version or alias of Cizin/Kisin himself.
You're from the Yucatan? Really? That's gotta be cool
. More interesting than boring old Philly (Sometimes I feel like we're just a New York knock-off.).
Originally posted by Mac3588
*sings*All we are saaaaaayyying... is give Kurt a dad........ All we are *KERBLAM* *Thud*
Originally posted by maria
Xochiquetzal
(Aztec) The goddess of weavers who was also responsible for fertility, childbirth, flowers, singing and dancing. She was (like the Roman Flora) a deity of sexual license as well. Marigolds were her favorite flower, but she loved every plant and every creature. Much loved by Aztec women, she was honored with little pottery figurines that showed her with feathers in her hair; these are still frequently unearthed in Mexico. In some legends, this goddess was the only female survivor of the great flood that destroyed the world preceding this one. With a man, she escaped the torrent in a small boat. Faced with the prospect of repopulating the world, they set to work as soon as the flood receded. But all of their children were born mute. Finally a pigeon magically endowed them with language, but every child received a different tongue so that each was unable to communicate with the others.
Just thought that was kinda.. interesting....
Originally posted by Bamfette
Maria, you're in Philly? go to the con at the end of May!! me and Chuck will be there!
um, intersting theories, guys someone, SOMEWHERE in this thread i am not saying it was recently, guessed *almost* right
Originally posted by maria
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Originally posted by Bamfette
Maria, you're in Philly? go to the con at the end of May!! me and Chuck will be there!
um, intersting theories, guys someone, SOMEWHERE in this thread i am not saying it was recently, guessed *almost* right
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You guys are?! That's great! I wasn't sure if I was going to go to the one in May or June, but it looks like May it is! ^__^
>_< GAAAHHH!! You're not allowed to say stuff like that! (nevermind, yeah you are, you're evil ) What does almost mean?.....and 'somewhere' on the thread?....this is gonna drive me nuts!!! >_< !! 'Somewhere'...so it looks like I'm gonna be dissecting this thread to death for a while. I am going to kick this mystery's ass, if it's the last thing I do!
(we should get a battle-cry smilie ^^ )
Originally posted by Nightcrawler ZERO
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Originally posted by maria
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Originally posted by Bamfette
Maria, you're in Philly? go to the con at the end of May!! me and Chuck will be there!
um, intersting theories, guys someone, SOMEWHERE in this thread i am not saying it was recently, guessed *almost* right
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You guys are?! That's great! I wasn't sure if I was going to go to the one in May or June, but it looks like May it is! ^__^
>_< GAAAHHH!! You're not allowed to say stuff like that! (nevermind, yeah you are, you're evil ) What does almost mean?.....and 'somewhere' on the thread?....this is gonna drive me nuts!!! >_< !! 'Somewhere'...so it looks like I'm gonna be dissecting this thread to death for a while I am going to kick this mystery's ass, if it's the last thing I do!
(we should get a battle-cry smilie ^^ )
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You'll get it down to two possible candidates- then agonize over it for days. Finally, you will take the leap and declare one the definate choice..........only to find out that it is the other one.
of this I am sure.
Originally posted by Broadsword
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Originally posted by Nightcrawler ZEROYou'll get it down to two possible candidates- then agonize over it for days. Finally, you will take the leap and declare one the definate choice..........only to find out that it is the other one.
of this I am sure.
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This is Jill we're talking about. She's inleague with the evil Chuck Austen! We'll never know what she's up too!
Originally posted by Lúnopia
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Originally posted by Mac3588
*sings*All we are saaaaaayyying... is give Kurt a dad........ All we are *KERBLAM* *Thud*
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John Lennon is rolling in his grave
Originally posted by maria
Okay this is it. A master list of EVERY person that was mentioned on this thread as a possible daddy. Here we go:
Mystique
Batman
a Summers
Sabertooth
BlueElf's dad
Wolverine/Logan
Mr.Sinister
Apocolypse
Darth Vader
Dave Cockrum
Lockheed
Professor Xavier
the 1965 Denver Broncos
Magneto
Sir Fobos
Count Dracula
Belasco
D'KEN
Dr. Doom
Sir Deimos
the Grinch
one of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Master Splinter
Beast
the Tick
Gilgamesh
King of Hearts
Peter Pan
a Bamf
Richard Wagner
'Draco'
Satan
Hitler
Caesar
Macbeth
Sandman
Errol Flynn
Vlad the Impaler
Oberon
Celeborn
Elrond
Legolas
the Fisher King
Fidel Castro
Papa Smurf
the unknown Pharoah
Minos/ the Minotaur
King Midas
Zeus
Dionysas
Apollo
Noah
Enkidu
Amon
Apepi
Bes
Seker
Sebek
Naunet
Kauket
Horus
Maatifemkhet
Timaeus
Ahriman
Thoth/Quetzacotal/Kukulcan
Cizin (Kisin)
*new guy I'm adding* Tlacolotl
And I am officially exhausted
;; One of these guys is close. But who?......
Originally posted by BlueJubatus
...I'm gussing the 1965 denver bronkos
Originally posted by maria
From the list I have narrowed it down to:
Ahriman/Angra Mainyu and Cizin/Kisin. But Bamfette only said that they were close, almost. So with the help of #422 (which kicked hella ass If you haven't gotten it yet go grab it up now!!), I did some further research and began looking up the Aztec, Moche and Egyptian equivalents of Ahriman and Cizin (since they're like each other equivalents, kindofsortof. One is Persian and the other Mayan.)
When looking up the Egyptians, none of the guys I was considering really worked with information we had. And if he did, it seemed cliche to pick him because, really, most egyptian gods are pretty well known, and I doubt that Chuck and Bamfette would have made it that easy for us So with no egyptian candidates let's move along to the....
Moche
Apparently not much is known about Moche mythology, but what I did find was intrigeing:
The ideological-religious basis of many a prehistoric culture has been forgotten after the dying down of the culture.
However, the ceramic pictures together with archaeological materials have made a partial reconstruction of the Moche mythology possible. The most important of the religious rituals of the Moche culture was apparently the sacrificial ceremony, in which prisoners of ritual war were sacrificed to gods. Other central scenes of the Moche ceramics are, among other things, funerals of high-ranking persons, hunting of elks and sea lions plus fights between human and supernatural beings.
Later though I found something about a being that they call the deity with staves:
Its classical figure is mostly known by the sc. Raymond stele (see photo A) which depicts a godlike creature holding staves or sticks in both of its hands. Other external features might vary in different cultures. A common conception is that the deity with staves served as a celestial supreme being, a god of the heavens, who in the course of time was attributed the characteristic features of a thunder-god. The worship of the deity with staves spread form Chavín all over Peru. At times, however, its characteristic features were relatively unknown or the knowledge of them was totally lacking among the coastal civilisations at the Early Middle Period.
Now look at 'photo A':
http://haldjas.folklore.ee/folklore/vol10/pics/ka.gif
Is it just me, or is his resemblane to the guy that we see on the wall in #422, kind of creepy?
My search of the Aztecs brought me to: Mictlantecuhtli, Tezcatlipoca and Xolotl
And so my final batch (and I'm really, really, really, really, sure it's one of these guys!! ^^; )of possible papa's is: Ahriman/Angra Mainyu ,Cizin/Kisin, the Deity with Staves, Mictlantecuhtli,Tezcatlipoca and Xolotl.
Whew. Gonna put up their bios later. Now I need to stop typing before my fingers break off >_>...
Originally posted by kurtlover
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Originally posted by maria
The way I understood it while looking him up is that Ah Puch, was just another version or alias of Cizin/Kisin himself.
You're from the Yucatan? Really? That's gotta be cool
. More interesting than boring old Philly (Sometimes I feel like we're just a New York knock-off.).
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yes Yucatan the land of the Mayas
and Ah puch and Kisin are different sometimes they got confused and they pass by the same deity but they're not the same, btw speaking of the kisin i visited his temple the other day in the Oxkintok site, they have a temple dedicated for him and they have seven kisin statues around the temple and a labryth, called the Zatunza, its very cool and its already new for us.
Originally posted by jogurt
I got the feeling we forgot someone in the list...
Originally posted by Bamfette
eh it doesn't matter if she did, 'the' guess is indeed on maria's list. i'll tell you that much
i think i will make a new poll... vote seriously this time!
Originally posted by The Exalted
I like Chuck....But if he messes up...Ill make sure that I get to write in Marvel comics and
"fix" things....
Im looking at Chuck...Im looking real hard....
The Exalted has spoken!!!!
* we will have none of this Summers nonsense! I will spill that right now, he is not in any fashion related to any member fo the Summers family! 
remember when i was trying to convince anyone and everyone that Husk had died? i knew she would 'get better' long before 419 hit the stands. THINK people! I'm working WITH Chuck, not against him! 
you know a tiny part, you know a BIT of the situation... (for the record, she guessed correctly out of the blue and i confirmed it...) but I KNOW i've never told you who his father is. people think i am loose with secrets becuase i drop hints, but i assure you I am not, i let loose enough to start speculation, but it usually ends up going in the wrong direction. which is the idea. :p
talk over at X-Fan...if Chuck had gone that way I would have been really, really 
yeah, i would have been mad about that, too....
. But seriously KL, AIM me if you get tired of the cache-searching!
