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Post by Nandireya » Wed May 04, 2011 9:34 am

Ult_Sm86 wrote:I also hated Sweeney Todd. I find Burton to be one of Hollywood's most overrated.
And I thought I was the only one who hated that movie...despite its 'pedigree'...I've enjoyed or been amused by every other Burton/Depp collaboration...

I haven't paid any attention whatsoever to this film, but I saw the trailer with Thor a couple of weeks ago (a guy sitting behind me seemed very excited)...when I saw the red Nightcrawler-like character I was 'WTF!?' Then I was 'Great! Their bringing Azzy into movie continuity!' Then I was...'Hmmm...maybe we'll see a cute little itty, bitty baby Nightcrawler by the end...or in the sequel...' Or...maybe...given that characters who have appeared younger in previous movies set in the future appear here in the past maybe it'll be some kind of reboot (reboots seem to be the in thing) and we'll see a reboot of Nightcrawler with all his personality traits intact...
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Post by Ult_Sm86 » Wed May 04, 2011 1:21 pm

Well, it is technically a reboot.


And unfortunately, it makes no sense. I don't know if I brought this point up yet. Not sure how Emma Frost can be 15 in 1986 when Origins: Wolverine ended and then be 24-26 in 1964 in the new X-Men First Class. I'm looking forward to see themselves explain away that one.

Also :azazel is apparently in the Hellfire Club. I don't know if that's meant to be ironic or the guys who wrote the script are just stupid.
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Post by Bamfing_Bob » Wed May 04, 2011 11:32 pm

According to Jason Flemying (actor portraying Azazel), There is no romance between Azzy and Mystique in this one, but he says it leaves room to do it if and when they decide to sequel it up. Hoping hard to see a baby Nightcrawler that isn't 100% CGI
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Post by Nandireya » Thu May 05, 2011 9:07 am

The movie doesn't look too bad...but I still don't know if I'll see it...3D movies cost $20 here now (it is 3D isn't it?) so I have to REALLY want to see a movie before I'll go and see it.
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Post by KayJay » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:15 pm

BUMP!

Saw this movie yesterday, and loved it. If viewed as a totally separate entity from the canon storylines, it's very cleverly done, well-casted (LOVED Nick Hoult as Beast), and with an interesting storyline. Really enjoyed watching it :)
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Post by Blob55 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:33 pm

Just wondering, but were any depowered/dead mutants in the X-Men in this movie?

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Post by KayJay » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:35 pm

Nope :)
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Post by Nandireya » Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:19 am

I hear they Americanized more international characters :yell

That aside, I've heard very good things about it.
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Post by Ult_Sm86 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:26 am

For the sake of those who have not seen the movie, let's remember that if you have seen it and plan on discussing it try to give a little warning about spoilers.

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That seems to usually be effective. Granted, during the time of release checking a thread about the movie is sort of a bad idea but sometimes some one might be looking for an opinion on the movie or be reading through the posts, and then something comes up about the ending and there goes a spoiler, y'know?
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MAGNETO IS ACTUALLY A WOMAN.
XAVIER DIES.
IT WAS STRYKER ALL ALONG.
NIGHTCRAWLER GOT SUNBURN.


Oh, sorry. *tags for spoilers* :P

No, srsly guys... Go see this movie, and see it with all canon history out of your head. As a stand-alone totally separate from the existing canon, it's great.
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Post by Chaos » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:11 pm

Let's face it, for all the criticism we ALL have about this movie, it's STILL better than Spider-Man 3.
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Post by Ult_Sm86 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:37 pm

But is it better than X-Men Origins: Wolverine?
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Post by KayJay » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:41 pm

IMO, a lot better. All depends on your opinions though, I guess!
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Post by steyn » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:51 pm

was there an extra tidbit clip after the credits?

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Post by KayJay » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:53 pm

Alas, there was not, so don't bother staying after the credits have rolled if you don't want to.
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Post by steyn » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:55 pm

Thanks for the warning, 10 minutes of my life has just been saved.

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Post by Garble » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:37 am

I really liked it.

It gave some good backstorying for Characters from previous movies while also including some new guys as well as characters that relate to characters from previous movies. (Azazel's teleporting resembling Nightcrawler's, and Havoc's powers looking alot like Cyclops's)

Seeing Azazel in action made me wish Nightcrawler had more screentime in other movies.

I didn't notice anything that *directly* contradicts continuity from previous X-Films. (Apart from possibly some age relation issues) And I like the way they tied things together.

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I especially liked how you could infer that Beat's blueness was related to Mystique's. So that with Nightcrawler's obvious connection, all these blue mutants aren't just a coincidence.

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Post by KayJay » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:39 am

Mmm, the power ties were good. I didn't actually connect Havok's discs to Cyke's beams until you just mentioned it, though! Doh!


Direct contradition: Emma Frost's age (Between Origins and First Class0)

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Post by Nandireya » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:50 am

Maybe First Class Emma is Wolverine diamond-girl's (I don't recall her being referred to by name) mother? Or else...Wanda did it!
=33706838&tid=11253&author=KayJay]IMO, a lot better. All depends on your opinions though, I guess!
A film reviewer here said Wolverine was just an excuse for Hugh Jackman to take his shirt off and go 'grrr!' for two hours. I don't think he liked it. He liked First Class though. I'll go see it when I get my next instant day off...if I get one before it's out of cinemas...unless it's still showing when my annual leave comes up...in four weeks...
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Post by KayJay » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:04 am

"Wanda did it" will have to be the explaination! XD

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There were a few contraditions caused because of the Origins movie (such as seeing old!Xavier walking, implying he was crippled later in life, and not as a young man, as well as Emma Frost's age), but from what I've read in interviews, First Class is not meant to coincide with the events of Origins, and is essentially a seperate storyline entirely in it's own right. Considering how many people with disappointed in Origins, I can't say I'm too bothered about that!
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Post by Nandireya » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:29 am

I got an instant day off today so I went to see it...finally learned how to pronounce :azazel's name. It was quite awesome. A but gruesome in parts...like the stuff with the coin...but overall nicely done.

Maybe Bryan Singer decided to just ignore the movies he wasn't so involved with? It pretty much fit the continuity of the first two movies.

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Post by Ult_Sm86 » Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:00 pm

I would have to say the movie was a lot better than I thought it would be

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I'd say my biggest beefs with the movie are 3 things.
1) Emma's plot hole with how/why they (The CIA) contained her. She clearly could break out, why didn't she? Someone said she was waiting. If she was waiting why did she get defensive and diamond-y when Erik showed up?

2) Beast's initial make up looked AWFUL. Thank the stars when he got in the jet it looked better, but I'm pretty sure (like 99%) sure that he is heavily CGI'd once he's inside the Jet. If you know you can do it better with a computer, don't be afraid to do that.

3) The flying was atrocious. It reminded me of a Broadway show that uses strings. It was just .... lame. Banshee's costume was cool, his effect was cool, but his flying was corny as hell.


But you know what?

It was fun. It was good. I never thought I'd like :azazel but there I was, practically clapping fo rhim. He uses SWORDS! SWORDS, MAN! Why Couldn't Kurt use swords? :(

Either way, it's a decent enough film. If it's a reboot (which I'm now hearing it is... not what they were saying 6 months ago) then it's a great start. If it's NOT a reboot, then it does a good job of being a prequel short of some minor tidbits that people can pretend/ignore if they're just general X-Fans/general fans of the films.

X-Men: First Class is as much an apology to the fans as it is a great film for the general audience. I'll be throwing up my review shortly.
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Post by Karl » Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:14 pm

I liked it very much, especially the moral/ethical question of how to relate to wrongs that have been done to you, as personified by Erik and Charles. The part where the two navies confronted each other actually showed the ambiguities involved in that same question, and how it isn't always black and white, but rather shades of gray. Both Erik and Charles had some great lines.
There was no hint at all that Mystique and Azazel might have been Kurt's parents, which is just as well, IMO. As for Azazel himself, we didn't learn much about him, other than that his fighting style is much like Kurt's during his attack on the White House, except that Azazel carries two vicious-looking swords with him and doesn't mind using them.
I didn't notice that bit about Xavier that didn't correspond to what happened in Wolverine: Origins, but I guess we can forgive them for such a slight glitch.
Did anyone else laugh out loud during Logan's cameo appearance?
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Post by Nandireya » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:52 am

Wasn't the next origins supposed to be Magneto's...which this basically was?

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Post by Ult_Sm86 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:04 pm

No, there is a sequel to Wolverine Origins that is set to come out shortly which was originally being directed by Black Swan director Darren Aronofsky. He ended up backing out though due to too many projects & not enjoying how long he would be away from his family (which is a shame because he probably could have done something really interesting with it.)
"As I talked more about the film with my collaborators at Fox, it became clear that the production of The Wolverine would keep me out of the country for almost a year... I was not comfortable being away from my family for that length of time. I am sad that I won't be able to see the project through, as it is a terrific script and I was very much looking forward to working with my friend, Hugh Jackman, again".
article here.

The following are a list of directors chosen by Fox Studios, set to replace him.

Jose Padilha, Doug Liman, Antoine Fuqua, Mark Romanek, Justin Lin, Gavin O'Connor, James Mangold and Gary Shore. Article for that as well.

The movie is probably going to be set in Japan. Expect Silver Samurai.
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