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Post by Garble » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:11 pm

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Post by Crocodile Hunter » Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:27 pm

Hmm.. russia.. i dont know if its been here before.
But a bit of time ago, there was a cat with wings born in russia.
Ofcourse it lived about 2h before villagers killed it with belief that it was actually a messenger of satan.

heres a pic from a news site


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if that would have born in somewhere else.
It would probably been kept alive for research.

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Post by Angelique » Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:06 pm

Hm. Death by superstition or vivisection- which would have been worse for the poor cat?
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Post by Shadow_Dancer » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:44 am

Oh rats, I was going to post that story about glow-in-the-dark pigs but Garble beat me to it.

Don't ask me about the usefullness of flourescent green pigs. Sheep would have been more interesting. I'd love to have a glow-in-the-dark sweater. :D
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Post by Crocodile Hunter » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:53 am

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Hm. Death by superstition or vivisection- which would have been worse for the poor cat?
Atleast people would know, why the cat had wings.
in my opinion i dont think its as bad as killing it with throwing stones.

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Post by rad_666 » Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:24 pm

Originally posted by Crocodile Hunter
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Hm. Death by superstition or vivisection- which would have been worse for the poor cat?
Atleast people would know, why the cat had wings.
in my opinion i dont think its as bad as killing it with throwing stones.
People shouldn't be killling cats anyway! sick folk. *grumbles*
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Post by Crocodile Hunter » Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:29 pm

again wrong topic, maybe i should go to bed.

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Post by Bamfette » Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:01 am

Originally posted by Crocodile Hunter
Hmm.. russia.. i dont know if its been here before.
But a bit of time ago, there was a cat with wings born in russia.
Ofcourse it lived about 2h before villagers killed it with belief that it was actually a messenger of satan.

heres a pic from a news site


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if that would have born in somewhere else.
It would probably been kept alive for research.
hm. messybeast.com had an excellent resource page about 'winged' cats, but it seems to be 'forbidden' now... thank goodness for Google ;) http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:w99 ... +cat&hl=en

basically - it's most likely a case of matted fur and nothing more. possibly a case of extra legs or skin flaps, but either way, it's not new. the picture isn't of the Russian cat, btw.

I went looking for info on the two headed dog and came across this

http://216.247.9.207/ny-best.htm

:LOL 99% sure its a hoax :p

though, disturbig as transplanted heads are, in the late thirties, Russian scientists decapitated dogs and kept the head alive for several hours. this was reasearch on the way to producing a heart/lung machine.

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Post by Crocodile Hunter » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:39 pm

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Originally posted by Crocodile Hunter
Hmm.. russia.. i dont know if its been here before.
But a bit of time ago, there was a cat with wings born in russia.
Ofcourse it lived about 2h before villagers killed it with belief that it was actually a messenger of satan.

heres a pic from a news site


Image

if that would have born in somewhere else.
It would probably been kept alive for research.
hm. messybeast.com had an excellent resource page about 'winged' cats, but it seems to be 'forbidden' now... thank goodness for Google ;) http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:w99 ... +cat&hl=en

basically - it's most likely a case of matted fur and nothing more. possibly a case of extra legs or skin flaps, but either way, it's not new. the picture isn't of the Russian cat, btw.

I went looking for info on the two headed dog and came across this

http://216.247.9.207/ny-best.htm

:LOL 99% sure its a hoax :p

though, disturbig as transplanted heads are, in the late thirties, Russian scientists decapitated dogs and kept the head alive for several hours. this was reasearch on the way to producing a heart/lung machine.
:LOL who the heck would trust, his/her's own brains to them :P

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Post by Shadow_Dancer » Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:47 am

Originally posted by Bamfette
I went looking for info on the two headed dog and came across this

http://216.247.9.207/ny-best.htm

:LOL 99% sure its a hoax :p

though, disturbig as transplanted heads are, in the late thirties, Russian scientists decapitated dogs and kept the head alive for several hours. this was reasearch on the way to producing a heart/lung machine.
Even if they WERE able to do brain transplants, where are they getting the younger bodies from?

I found a couple more links about winged cats. In the first link, most of them look like cases of matted long fur. The second link is a bit more interesting.

Area 51 Central - Winged cats

http://ragemanchoo.tripod.com/ourcats.html
Scroll down to the bottom.
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Post by fourpawsonthefloor » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:36 am

Originally posted by Shadow_Dancer
Area 51 Central - Winged cats

http://ragemanchoo.tripod.com/ourcats.html
Scroll down to the bottom.
I looked at the second link and they are matts too. You can see if you look at the cat closely where the fur is shorter (where the flap of the mat would fit if you pushed it into position) and in fact you can even see some skin where the mat was likely torn away and then left dangling on each side. The whole bleeding thing is probabally when the cat ran through a small opening or something and ripped the remaining attached haur off - and as you can well imagine yanking a sudden large hunk of hair off can be tramatizing for the skin that it was previously attached to. I have seen many many cats with mats exactly like these.

Another likely scenario would be the person with good intentions that cut the mats off, but doesn't know how to do it and inadvertantly cuts a good hunk of skin off at the same time (when you pull a mat upwards the skin tents as well and it is suprizingly easy to then cut the skin that is tented up unless you are very careful).

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Post by NachtcGleiskette » Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:11 am

Originally posted by Shadow_Dancer


Even if they WERE able to do brain transplants, where are they getting the younger bodies from?
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Post by thylacine » Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:37 pm

The winged cats have a condition known as "feline cutaneous asthenia." Sorry to take the mystery away, kids! It is a feline dermatological condition which the vet can treat in the office. Something is wrong with kitty's skin around her shoulders, and it stretches out somehow, looking like "wings."

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Post by Garble » Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:29 am

Originally posted by NachtcGleiskette
Originally posted by Shadow_Dancer


Even if they WERE able to do brain transplants, where are they getting the younger bodies from?
We're in luck! The in thing now is young bodies with old heads!

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Post by Crocodile Hunter » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:38 am

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The winged cats have a condition known as "feline cutaneous asthenia." Sorry to take the mystery away, kids! It is a feline dermatological condition which the vet can treat in the office. Something is wrong with kitty's skin around her shoulders, and it stretches out somehow, looking like "wings."
cat with wings could be as possible as frog, snake or a goat with two heads.

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Post by NachtcGleiskette » Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:22 pm

Originally posted by Garble
Originally posted by NachtcGleiskette
Originally posted by Shadow_Dancer


Even if they WERE able to do brain transplants, where are they getting the younger bodies from?
We're in luck! The in thing now is young bodies with old heads!

And if you can place that quote, I'll marry you...
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Post by Bamfette » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:32 pm

Originally posted by Crocodile Hunter
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The winged cats have a condition known as "feline cutaneous asthenia." Sorry to take the mystery away, kids! It is a feline dermatological condition which the vet can treat in the office. Something is wrong with kitty's skin around her shoulders, and it stretches out somehow, looking like "wings."
cat with wings could be as possible as frog, snake or a goat with two heads.
no, they're completely different. An animal with two heads is just twinning gone wrong, an egg failed to split all the way, that's all.

Wings on the other hand, REAL wings, as opposed to extra legs (again twinning gone wrong) or skin flaps (genetic mutation affecting the skin) requires creating bones, muscle and skin that are nowhere in the cat's genetic history. It is way beyond a mutations ability to produce results like that. Vertibates beyond fish typically are only supposed to have 4 limbs (aside from eggs failing to split as mentioned, or as sometimes happens with frogs, the egg is disturbed during development, causing duplicate body parts). That's just how they evolved, evolution works slowly, so it works with what is there, adapting limbs, not creating new ones. So every single vertibate animal on the face of the planet, barring misshaps with the egg's development, has (or had at one time in its genetic past) 4 limbs, simple as that. Even snakes in their genetic history had 4 limbs as shown in fossils and modern snakes still have evidence in their skeleton that they at one time had those limbs. so a snake being born with legs, while rare, wouldn't be beyond possibility, it would just be a throwback to it's genetic past, which happens from time to time. A cat, however, has NOTHING in its genetic past that had 6 limbs, let alone 2 of those limbs being specialized as wings.

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Post by chicory » Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:07 pm

I agree with Bamfette! Something as useless to a cat as a mutation for skin flaps won't be a favorable trait to pass down. (Especially if they catch on things or people mistake them for messangers of satan). And they and the entire cat would have to be drastically modified for flight - which would take millions of years and doesn't seem likely to happen.

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Given time, they could probably engineer one though - as horrible an idea as that is.

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Post by Crawler » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:40 pm

Yes, the green pigs are definitely NOT for eating, as they're not only green, but also "transgenic"...which, IIRC, means that they have inserted genes which make them more human-compatible (originally for organ transplants but more recently for research that is illegal or distasteful to do on humans) and I believe that there's a kind of unanimous thinking that eating them would be akin to cannibalism.
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Post by Shadow_Dancer » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:52 am

Talking about odd cats, here's a link a friend of mine posted in her LJ the other day -

Cyclops kitten

Although there is a question that this picture is legit, these things do happen occasionally.

The college where I teach has a fairly large collection of preserved zoological samples. One of these samples has become something of a college legend. Every semester I have at least one student that asks to see the "two headed" kitten. It doesn't actually have two heads but it does have two distinct faces - two mouths, four sets of eyes etc. It was born dead and donated to the college more than twenty years ago.
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Post by Bamfette » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:39 am

Yeah, i heard about the cyclops kitty. poor thing.

found this today, an interesting article on accupuncture: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4631930.stm

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Post by thylacine » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:24 pm

That one eyed kitty is so sad. It only lived a day.

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Post by thylacine » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:06 pm

That is very cool. Okay. Now, when are they gonna find the last of the thylacines!!!

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