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It’s been a busy few days for me at work, since this high school is right up the road from my office. Expect to see this on the national news within the next few days:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascit ... 365256.htm
Two teens accused of plotting rampage
The Kansas City Star
Two Platte City teenagers were charged Monday with threatening to carry out a school shooting to mark the seventh anniversary of the attack at Columbine High School.
Trevor P. Fattig and Sean M. Amos, both 17, face felony charges of making a terroristic threat. They allegedly told several classmates they planned to use guns and explosives this Thursday in a shooting rampage at Platte County R-3 High School in Platte City, said Platte County Prosecutor Eric Zahnd.
Fattig and Amos were being held in the Platte County Detention Center Monday with bond set at $15,000.
According to court records, the boys told a group of classmates not to attend school Thursday because they planned to bring an AK-47 and a Magnum to school and plant explosives in the gymnasium.
The teens allegedly said they would then order the assistant principal at gunpoint to make an announcement for everyone to report to the gym. Then they would kill the assistant principal and shoot students and faculty, according to the charges.
A student told school officials about the alleged threat, and the principal immediately alerted authorities. Police then interviewed five witnesses who said Fattig and Amos told them they intended to bring weapons to school on Thursday.
“In today’s world, we have to take these threats very seriously,” Zahnd said.
The families of Fattig and Amos could not be reached for comment.
Platte City police Sgt. Beth Willoughby said Monday investigators were not able to search the residences of the defendants to see whether they had weapons.
Principal Craig Robinson would not say whether the students were suspended. It is district policy not to discuss matters pertaining to students, Robinson said Monday.
“It’s one of those things that you just hate to see happen, but it happened, so you do what you have to do to keep the kids safe,” he said.
Because of the threats, school officials said, students and parents said they were concerned about safety at school on Thursday, according to court records. That’s when students are scheduled to take a test that affects the district’s accreditation.
If convicted, Fattig and Amos face a maximum of four years in prison, Zahnd said.
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Two teens accused of plotting rampage
The Kansas City Star
Two Platte City teenagers were charged Monday with threatening to carry out a school shooting to mark the seventh anniversary of the attack at Columbine High School.
Trevor P. Fattig and Sean M. Amos, both 17, face felony charges of making a terroristic threat. They allegedly told several classmates they planned to use guns and explosives this Thursday in a shooting rampage at Platte County R-3 High School in Platte City, said Platte County Prosecutor Eric Zahnd.
Fattig and Amos were being held in the Platte County Detention Center Monday with bond set at $15,000.
According to court records, the boys told a group of classmates not to attend school Thursday because they planned to bring an AK-47 and a Magnum to school and plant explosives in the gymnasium.
The teens allegedly said they would then order the assistant principal at gunpoint to make an announcement for everyone to report to the gym. Then they would kill the assistant principal and shoot students and faculty, according to the charges.
A student told school officials about the alleged threat, and the principal immediately alerted authorities. Police then interviewed five witnesses who said Fattig and Amos told them they intended to bring weapons to school on Thursday.
“In today’s world, we have to take these threats very seriously,” Zahnd said.
The families of Fattig and Amos could not be reached for comment.
Platte City police Sgt. Beth Willoughby said Monday investigators were not able to search the residences of the defendants to see whether they had weapons.
Principal Craig Robinson would not say whether the students were suspended. It is district policy not to discuss matters pertaining to students, Robinson said Monday.
“It’s one of those things that you just hate to see happen, but it happened, so you do what you have to do to keep the kids safe,” he said.
Because of the threats, school officials said, students and parents said they were concerned about safety at school on Thursday, according to court records. That’s when students are scheduled to take a test that affects the district’s accreditation.
If convicted, Fattig and Amos face a maximum of four years in prison, Zahnd said.
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It's a good thing they were caught.. as if we need another Columbine
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People...arghhh...! I am glad they were caught too. Nothing like "impressing" people...aha...
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School shootings don't even get front page anymore. There's a reason most urban schools have metal decectors - attacks on other students and teachers just aren't that usual.Originally posted by Blue_Demon94
It's a good thing they were caught.. as if we need another Columbine
There have been several Columbines since Columbine - just not of the same magnitude. Since they were complaining of their standardized test schedule being disrupted I wonder if maybe they should know better than to schedule those so close to Hitler's birthday
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Nice. Some other kids in Kansas were planning an attack too:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/21/foiled ... index.html
We heard from the police cheif that the kids here in Kansas City had schematics in their houses, though so far they haven't found any weapons. The cops think they may have actually had weapons offsite somewhere though. On Thursday morning the bomb squad swept the school before classes started and cops were there all day. The district made attending classes optional. It was crazy.
I'm so glad I went to high school in the years before Columbine. We had no metal detectors, no bomb threats, if you brought a weapon to school you got suspended (heck, I carried my grandfather's pocket knife in my purse in high school!) and on the last day everybody brought water guns. People would wear long trench coats and hide super soakers in them. Now, my old high school has a dress code prohibiting trench coats and metal detectors.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/21/foiled ... index.html
We heard from the police cheif that the kids here in Kansas City had schematics in their houses, though so far they haven't found any weapons. The cops think they may have actually had weapons offsite somewhere though. On Thursday morning the bomb squad swept the school before classes started and cops were there all day. The district made attending classes optional. It was crazy.
I'm so glad I went to high school in the years before Columbine. We had no metal detectors, no bomb threats, if you brought a weapon to school you got suspended (heck, I carried my grandfather's pocket knife in my purse in high school!) and on the last day everybody brought water guns. People would wear long trench coats and hide super soakers in them. Now, my old high school has a dress code prohibiting trench coats and metal detectors.
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I was wondering if they'd actually found the weapons the kids had planned to use. I mean, where does a high school kid get an AK-47? (I know you can buy them because I've known several gun collectors who own them, but the guns were, I don't know the word for it, but they had been altered so they were no longer semi-automatic. They only shot one round at a time.)
It seems like the one piece of good news in all of this is that the kids are all dumb enough to discuss their plans with other people who are smart enough to turn them in. I wonder if planning a terrorist attack is becoming the modern teenage "cry for help" that suicide threats were when I was in high school. Scary thought...
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It seems like the one piece of good news in all of this is that the kids are all dumb enough to discuss their plans with other people who are smart enough to turn them in. I wonder if planning a terrorist attack is becoming the modern teenage "cry for help" that suicide threats were when I was in high school. Scary thought...
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The internet!!Originally posted by Saint Kurt
I was wondering if they'd actually found the weapons the kids had planned to use. I mean, where does a high school kid get an AK-47?
http://www.ak47world.com/
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I'm happy I went to school in Saskatchewan. We had kids get sent off to juvie for bomb threats, but they didn't actually have any bombs or anything. They were just too stupid to know that joke wasn't funny.
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Ditto here. No metal detectors either. There was this time a kid stole a peice of calcium from the chem lab as a lark, started sweating holding it, which started activating it - so he threw it into the toilet (he evidently wasn't paying attention in chem class) and blew the bathroom door off the room - but other than that, its just the odd fist fight in school here. And the odd knife taken away, but no one has stabbed anyone.
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I'm still in school and am getting so sick of the bomb threats, drug busts, gang fights, etc. I can't wait to get out.
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man, I know high school is tough, but seriously WTF. what inspires people to think about carrying out such an act? I can almost wrap my mind around suicide bombers, they believe they are doing a religious act and/or they have no other option, but I'm pretty sure these kids aren't thinking anything along those lines.
and that is not going to solve the problem, just make them meaner and smarter. either commit these kids to some serious therapy for four years or throw them in jail and lock away the key. :Originally posted by Slarti
If convicted, Fattig and Amos face a maximum of four years in prison, Zahnd said.
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That's why I wonder about these high school terrorist threats rather than terrorist actions like what did happen in Columbine.
It all makes me wonder if there's been some kind of fundamental shift in our societal mores that makes it more likely for kids now to act out by saying "I'm going to hurt other people" when they need help than saying, "I'm going to hurt myself".
When I was in high school (it was during the bronze age) nobody ever threatened to hurt or kill another students, but I remember quite a few classmates threatening to kill themselves over situations that seemed too overwhelming to cope with.
It's a scary development if this is so. Even conspiring and planning a terrorist act that's never going to be carried out requires a whole different level of violent intention than threatening suicide. Plus the consequences of being discovered are polar opposites - somebody threatening suicide might actually get to talk to someone who can help them with their problems. Going to prison never helped anyone with anything. (Not that I'm advocating suicide threats. Plain old asking for help is the best way to get help. )
I'd like to blame TV or something, but I don't know if it's that easy.
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It all makes me wonder if there's been some kind of fundamental shift in our societal mores that makes it more likely for kids now to act out by saying "I'm going to hurt other people" when they need help than saying, "I'm going to hurt myself".
When I was in high school (it was during the bronze age) nobody ever threatened to hurt or kill another students, but I remember quite a few classmates threatening to kill themselves over situations that seemed too overwhelming to cope with.
It's a scary development if this is so. Even conspiring and planning a terrorist act that's never going to be carried out requires a whole different level of violent intention than threatening suicide. Plus the consequences of being discovered are polar opposites - somebody threatening suicide might actually get to talk to someone who can help them with their problems. Going to prison never helped anyone with anything. (Not that I'm advocating suicide threats. Plain old asking for help is the best way to get help. )
I'd like to blame TV or something, but I don't know if it's that easy.
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Blame the "quite a few" people who threatened to kill themselves before. How many of them actually did it? Not many. People who actually commit suicide don't tell people about it.Originally posted by Saint Kurt
It all makes me wonder if there's been some kind of fundamental shift in our societal mores that makes it more likely for kids now to act out by saying "I'm going to hurt other people" when they need help than saying, "I'm going to hurt myself".
When I was in high school (it was during the bronze age) nobody ever threatened to hurt or kill another students, but I remember quite a few classmates threatening to kill themselves over situations that seemed too overwhelming to cope with.
I get the feeling there is a lot of sentiment towards suicide threats that goes "Well, I don't believe you will do it, but if you do... good riddance." Threatening suicide won't get you much now that people have clued in that it's often just an attention-grabber.
And it's not as if kids don't still threaten suicide. The numbers are probably higher than ever. They just don't get any press because... who cares? You have to DO something before people will care! Threatening to hurt yourself? Meh. Making an fancy plan with charts and graphs? Whoa! Somebody's serious about this! The only way suicide will get you that much attention is if you actually kill yourself... and who wants to do that??
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A maximum of four years? That's really sad and does not speak well of our justice system...
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What has spoken well of our justice system lately?
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Good point...
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I wish I could say I didn't understand it.Originally posted by kurt_the_quick
man, I know high school is tough, but seriously WTF. what inspires people to think about carrying out such an act? I can almost wrap my mind around suicide bombers, they believe they are doing a religious act and/or they have no other option, but I'm pretty sure these kids aren't thinking anything along those lines.
I wish I could say I had never gotten to the point where I wanted to hurt others who hurt me.
I wish I could say I worried about innocence bystanders getting hurt.
But I can't. I simply can't.
High school is hell for some people. Literally.
More than once, some boys grabbed at my bits. More than once I was checked into lockers. More times than I can count in fact. Ditto for the number of times I ran from classes crying. I got cussed at, spit on (both spit and food), shooter-mable sized balls of tacky putty hurled at me, tumbtacks shot at me, pencils shot me - all in front of the techer!
At first...I just wanted to go away. Change schools.
Then...just go to sleep and never wake up.
Then die.
About then...I got *furious*.
How dare they hurt me like that.
How dare they touch me. How dare they speak to me like that. Bruise me. Make me cry.
And I wanted to hurt them for it.
And the teachers who knew, and saw, and did nothing to stop it. Who told me to toughen up. That it was normal. That is was a rite of passage. That everyone went though it.
And most of all?
I wanted to hurt the people who claimed to like me, claimed to be my friends - and stood by and did nothing. Didn't help me. Didn't tell them to stop. Didn't ask them to stop. Or stood by and laughed.
I wanteed them to hurt like I was hurtting. To make they sorry for what they did. I didn't want to be the only one in pain. The only one who prayed to stop existing. Who felt so alone.
I never did anything. But I can understand those who do. Honestly, I can. I don't think it's a moral thing to do. But I can understand it.
What's worse, I've since found out none of them ever ment to feel that way. They didn't know they were doing that to me. They thought it was just kid stuff. They had no idea.
And actually...I think that hurts more.
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I had a simliar experience - I was tormented constantly - beat up by boys (kicked, punched, body checked into walls) had gum spit into my hair...honestly, you name it, it probabally happened. I was suicidal and on medication for it from the age of 13 to 15.
I still would have never ever made the step to killing them. Once I started getting to the "angry" part of my bulling, I sent some of their testicles into orbit, which had the desired effect that they didn't physically pick on me anymore. But kill them? Wish them dead? Never.
Bulling is extremely serious, and needs to be treated with a lot of consideration. But it is something in society that is driving kids to these more extreme actions, because there has ALWAYS been bulling, but never such vicious reprocussions before. And bulling is handled MUCH stricter by most school boards now.
As for me now...I was able to let the last of my pain and anger go years back, thank goodness. I will never forget it, and it has shaped me into the person that I am, so I can never leave that behind, but I hold no ill will to the people that teased me. Heaven help the kid that picks on another in front of me now though . The one thing I know, is that I am a hell of a lot stronger of a person than I would have ever been without it, and for that I am grateful.
I guess, in a stretch, I could understand in a way the kid who killed one or two of his/her tormentors. I will never understand why they would come in and start randomly shooting. A lot of the kids and teachers who are injured or killed in these attacks has NOTHING to do with the bullying.
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I still would have never ever made the step to killing them. Once I started getting to the "angry" part of my bulling, I sent some of their testicles into orbit, which had the desired effect that they didn't physically pick on me anymore. But kill them? Wish them dead? Never.
Bulling is extremely serious, and needs to be treated with a lot of consideration. But it is something in society that is driving kids to these more extreme actions, because there has ALWAYS been bulling, but never such vicious reprocussions before. And bulling is handled MUCH stricter by most school boards now.
As for me now...I was able to let the last of my pain and anger go years back, thank goodness. I will never forget it, and it has shaped me into the person that I am, so I can never leave that behind, but I hold no ill will to the people that teased me. Heaven help the kid that picks on another in front of me now though . The one thing I know, is that I am a hell of a lot stronger of a person than I would have ever been without it, and for that I am grateful.
I guess, in a stretch, I could understand in a way the kid who killed one or two of his/her tormentors. I will never understand why they would come in and start randomly shooting. A lot of the kids and teachers who are injured or killed in these attacks has NOTHING to do with the bullying.
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Blame Marilyn Manson thats what the politicians doAlkuperäinen postittaja Saint Kurt
I'd like to blame TV or something, but I don't know if it's that easy.
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I dunno Paws...I'm only 22.
And...I can see a few differences between the groups of kids who commit violence and those who don't.
Those who do, do not get proper psychological care. In fact, my mother didn't believe in it - because 'they plant things in your head' and the church we belonged to maintained that the 'proper' treatment for depression was prayer. So even when I asked for it, I was denied.
Those who do, are often raised in families where violence is used to solve problems. 'Get them before they get you' or 'Don't get mad, get even' attitudes. Or possibly physically abusive parents.
Those who do, tend to be outsiders already. Or they lack a strong social support network. They feel they have no one to turn to, no where to go. Nothing to lose.
But those factors together...that makes a big difference.
And I'm not trying to deend them. But if we don't understand why they do what they do - we can't help them. Or prevent it.
And...I can see a few differences between the groups of kids who commit violence and those who don't.
Those who do, do not get proper psychological care. In fact, my mother didn't believe in it - because 'they plant things in your head' and the church we belonged to maintained that the 'proper' treatment for depression was prayer. So even when I asked for it, I was denied.
Those who do, are often raised in families where violence is used to solve problems. 'Get them before they get you' or 'Don't get mad, get even' attitudes. Or possibly physically abusive parents.
Those who do, tend to be outsiders already. Or they lack a strong social support network. They feel they have no one to turn to, no where to go. Nothing to lose.
But those factors together...that makes a big difference.
And I'm not trying to deend them. But if we don't understand why they do what they do - we can't help them. Or prevent it.
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Well...I have had a few more years to work on it for sure - I think I was still smarting a little at 22.
I HATE it when people expect to cure things with prayer alone...expecially mental health issues. I actually refused to see a councellor when I was younger, but have since made good use of them. I hope that you can as well...letting that anger go was for ME not for THEM. Who needs to carry that shit around for the rest of your life?
I think that we need to offer a lot of mental health in schools too.
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I HATE it when people expect to cure things with prayer alone...expecially mental health issues. I actually refused to see a councellor when I was younger, but have since made good use of them. I hope that you can as well...letting that anger go was for ME not for THEM. Who needs to carry that shit around for the rest of your life?
I think that we need to offer a lot of mental health in schools too.
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Oh yeah...certainly smarting still.Originally posted by fourpawsonthefloor
Well...I have had a few more years to work on it for sure - I think I was still smarting a little at 22.
As I've said in the past, there are many reasons I broke with them. I was in counceling for two years. It helped. Quite a bit. The anger...it a good buffer for the pain however.I HATE it when people expect to cure things with prayer alone...expecially mental health issues. I actually refused to see a councellor when I was younger, but have since made good use of them. I hope that you can as well...letting that anger go was for ME not for THEM. Who needs to carry that shit around for the rest of your life?
Oh yes. And personally...we need to allow kids to seek mental health care without parental consent.I think that we need to offer a lot of mental health in schools too.
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I hear that!! Parents shouldn't be able to keep their children from being safe just to sooth their own personal feelings or misconceptions.Oh yes. And personally...we need to allow kids to seek mental health care without parental consent.
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Sometimes kids won't seek the help for themselves though.. some of them don't see anything wrong with hurting themselves or others and if the parents don't realize what's going on in their kids life, then it's pretty much up to peers to be like, "Billy, you need help".. I've been picked on and I can't say I haven't wished horrible things on the people who inflicted pain on me, but I think things have a way of working themselves out, so I'm glad I did nothing to retaliate..
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But that's only because the school shootings got so much press and made people realize that bullying actually is a problem. Without the potential harm to others, and ESPECIALLY the potential harm to "innocent bystanders" (my ass, people who watch and do nothing) there's no way bullying would be the huge issue it is now.Originally posted by fourpawsonthefloor
Bulling is extremely serious, and needs to be treated with a lot of consideration. But it is something in society that is driving kids to these more extreme actions, because there has ALWAYS been bulling, but never such vicious reprocussions before. And bulling is handled MUCH stricter by most school boards now.
You have to give the original shooters a certain amount of credit. I have to admit, they were my heroes in high school. I would never have gone on a killing spree, and I wasn't picked on much by that time, but having the whole thing opened up was a big deal. I haven't read much about it except for some write-ups on the other people who died, so I don't know what their motivations were, but I always felt like they kind of did it for me, and everyone else who had to deal with that crap.
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